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The five best pitchers of “our” generation.

There are four significant names that have been drilled into everyone’s
head’s during the 1990’s and early part of this decade.  Four sure-fire
Hall of Famers.  Four of the greatest pitchers to ever step on a mound,
any mound, in any country, and in any world–any galaxy for that
matter.  I could see any of the four being placed into the top ten
pitchers of all time, and they all played during roughly the same

These four clearly separated themselves from the rest of the crop of
pitchers during their careers.  There was them…and everybody else. 

This list will contain the top five pitchers however, because “top five” lists
sound much cooler than “top four.”  Who cares about the four best? 
People want 5!  🙂

But anyway, open for debate as always, here are the five best pitchers of the past 20 years…

Included is career ERA+ (ERA Adjusted for ballpark and league)

  • Pedro Martinez:  ERA+ 154:  Mariano Rivera recently, within the
    past year, moved to the top of the ERA+ leaderboard on
    BaseballReference.com.  And I have to admit that I am not happy about
    it.  But Pedro is still the leader in my opinion, because well, my
    opinion has a strong “opinion” that starters impact the game in a greater
    manner than relievers.  No disrespect to Rivera, perhaps the greatest reliever
    of all time.  So Pedro has benefited from being injured during much of
    the last three seasons, or perhaps not benefited.  Martinez would
    undoubtedly like to have been healthier the past few seasons, because I
    would guess that he actually enjoys playing baseball, rather than
    trying to rehabilitate himself over and over again.  But it hasn’t
    worked out for him.  However, the fewer starts that he makes, the
    higher his ERA+ should be.  And that gives us a feeling that he never
    really declined to begin with. But his ERA+ is greater than any
    starter, ever.  6% better than Lefty Grove, who had it much easier in
    terms of opposing players (theory, not fact)(6 percent in regards to
    ERA+ is merely 6 numbers higher.  For example:  Pedro’s is 154, while
    Grove’s was 148).  So there is something to be said about having the
    highest/best “Adjusted ERA” of all time for a starting pitcher.  Seems pretty relevant to me. 
    His counting numbers are lacking when comparing him to the other
    pitchers on this list (mainly the bext three), however his rate stats are clearly the best. 
    Pedro is third ever in K/9.  Third best in K/BB, higher than any of the
    top four on this list.  Pedro holds two of the nine best seasons ever
    according to ERA+ (3 of the top 20)–and one of the other pitchers on
    this list can say the same thing, as far as “two of the top
    nine” I mean.  Pedro has finished with an ERA+ of 200 or greater in an
    incredible five seasons.  He was absolutely incredible at his peak, and
    has most likely been the best ever when at the top of his game ( I believe he has has been, but I didn’t want to say it as fact).  This
    matters.  Counting stats matter too, and the next four pitchers were
    great, both at their peaks, like Pedro.  But also great when counting
    up their career numbers.  But Pedro was THE BEST at HIS BEST.  So maybe
    he will trail in career “Win Shares,” but he would also be the pitcher
    that I would choose if I needed a starter to win the most important
    game of a season.  And if someone asked me who the best I ever saw was, then I would have to go with Pedro.
  • Roger Clemens:  ERA+ 143:  Clemens definitely has a strong case
    to be number one.  And I am going to avoid the PED crap, since everyone
    seems partially-guilty, and no one is in the clear.  If I had to guess,
    I would guess that the other four were clean, at least from using
    steroids, but how do I really know?  Anyway, enough negativity. 
    Clemens is one of the greatest pitchers this game has ever seen.  And
    if someone thinks he is better than Pedro, then I won’t put up too much
    of a fight.  Although I would disagree with taking Clemens over Pedro
    in a Game 7.  Clemens’ “Adjusted ERA” is tied for tenth all time with
    none other than Brandon Webb.  Obviously, Webb’s will come down over
    time, because I am pretty sure that Webb isn’t the same caliber of
    pitcher over the long haul, although great in his own way.  Clemens has seven Cy Youngs and an MVP. 
    Pretty remarkable, especially a pitcher winning an MVP (times have changed).  But Clemens
    was probably worthy of it, although not too long ago someone was
    arguing that statistically, Donnie Baseball deserved it more (I believe
    that it was Joe Posnanski arguing this).  But regardless, Clemens had
    an awesome season.  Clemens has three seasons of ERA+’s over 200.  And
    if no one understands, 200 is historically great.  There are far lower
    numbers that are considered great seasons for a pitcher, but 200 is
    just above and beyond them all.  Roger Clemens is perhaps the greatest
    pitcher of all time.  I might think Pedro,  but Clemens has a heck of a case

  • Randy Johnson:  ERA+  137:  Randy Johnson’s career is probably
    going to be remembered by many for his lack of success in New York.  A
    few problems with that:  One being the fact that Johnson was 41 during
    his first year in the “Big Apple.”  How many pitchers are great at the
    age of 41?  It was unrealistic to think that he could continue to be
    dominant at that age.  Plus, he wasn’t terrible, but average during his
    time there.  The other problem is that it is simply unfair to remember
    only two seasons in media-market hell (when you are playing below
    expectations).  Randy Johnson won five “Cy’s” in parts of 17 seasons up
    until his “struggles” in New York.  And the guy is still pitching well
    at age 44, and maybe at age 45 (2009).  But I mentioned that Pedro was
    third ever in K/9.  Well, guess who was first?  “The Big Unit,” that’s
    who.  The best K/9, ever.  EVER!  Since K’s best resemble what we think
    of as dominance, then Randy Johnson is just about as dominant as they
    come.  His postseason numbers are a little less appealing to the eye than his regular
    season numbers, but that is in part due to his forgettable years in New York. 
  • Greg Maddux:  ERA+ 132:  Maddux was the other pitcher with two of
    the top nine ERA+ seasons of all time, along with Pedro.  Maddux was
    more reliant on his defense, way more than the other pitchers.  But he
    did not beat himself, walking very, very few batters each season. 
    Maddux walked only 20 batters in 33 starts back in 1997, which is
    almost unheard of.  And although he relied on his defense more so than
    the other pitchers listed, he may have had more control on balls in
    play than any pitcher that has ever lived.  If I needed one of these
    pitchers to be my pitching coach, Maddux would definitely get the nod.  At one point Maddux won four consecutive “Cy Youngs,” which is truly incredible if you think about it.  Actually those
    were the only four he won, but he was great in the surrounding years as
    well.  The durability that he displayed was amazing too, missing
    just a few starts over his entire career.  And that includes the part
    of his career at the end there where he hovered around league average for the last three years or so. 
  • Curt Schilling/John Smoltz:  ERA+ 127:  I have tried to separate
    the two of them, but it is just too difficult to do.  They have the
    exact same ERA+, they’ve pitched roughly the same number of innings,
    roughly the same number of K’s.  Schilling did walk fewer, and allow
    fewer baserunners.  But it is so close that I really can’t find much
    distinction between the two of them.  Both were really great in the
    postseason, etc.  I find it hard to believe to find two pitchers with
    more closely related numbers than the two of these guys.  

And let me tell you something, before I even reviewed the ERA+
leaderboard, I had already made up my mind on the order of this list. 
It just happens that they are in order of their “Adjusted ERA.”  But I
would totally understand if one values 2-4 more than they value Pedro. 
Like I said, I place a lot of emphasis on Pedro being the most dominant
pitcher at his peak.  That matters a lot to this man.  But the other
pitchers careers extended much longer, and they had to sustain normal
declines (well, some did  :), something that Pedro hasn’t experienced, and may never REALLY
experience.  Although I very much cheer for him to put together a full
season again, to see how he can do with diminished stuff.


Red Sox Make Minor Strides For Major Competition.

     The Boston Red Sox have made three signings recently that I very much like.  Individually, aside from money and years, they don’t look that great.  John Smoltz is coming off a serious arm injury and may not be ready to pitch the first few months.  Brad Penny had injury problems last season, and one cannot realistically project how many innings, or of what quality he will give the team.  And instead of having a little house out back of Rocco Baldelli’s house, one that he owns, with a kitchen, bathroom etc, that he rents out to his brother or cousin.  He instead has an ER, with doctors sitting around twiddling their thumbs, much like they do in the bullpen, while watching Baldelli hit (When HE does, in fact, hit). 

     But then one takes a deeper look at the way the Red Sox roster is constructed, and they come to the realization that each one of these moves is a plus for the team.  The Red Sox have four spots in the rotation locked up, secured, gated. 

     Tim Wakefield: aging veteran who will be appoximately league average while giving a decent amount of innings.

     Daisuke Matsuzaka:  Good stuff, above average results.  Plays like he is jumping off a bridge, only to catch his balance most times.

     Josh Beckett:  Likes to play with the fans emotions, bouncing back and forth between good and great.  And has always seemed to miss a few starts throughout the season.

     Jon Lester:  Very good left hander, with very good stuff.  Including a wicked cutter, that appears to be a 4-seamer, until…wait…it moves in on the hands at the last second, and the hitter cannot do anything with it. 

     But as I spoke of recently, the fifth starter is still up for grabs.  Clay Buchholz could be that guy.  Michael Bowden could potentially be that guy later in the year.  But now Brad Penny or John Smoltz could be that guy, too.

     As far as I know, Penny should be ready for the start of the season.  How long he can stay in the rotation is less of a known.  If nothing else, Penny can provide a few innings early on to let Buchholz appease the front office gods down in the minor leagues, and make his way up.  Or Penny could start the year, and if he is not pitching all that well, Smoltz could take his job in May or June.  Best case scenario, assuming that the Red Sox keep Buchholz (the Smoltz and Penny signings could lead to moving either Buchholz or Bowden for a catcher), is that Clay gets his stuff together and gives the Red Sox what they have been waiting for.  Worst case scenario is probably the four pitchers combining in some way to give the Red Sox enough innings from the fifth spot to allow them to compete in the division.  Individually, each pitcher has their “red flags,” but collectively they should give the team some decent innings throught out the year.

     And this isn’t just about the fifth spot in the rotation when talking about Penny and Smoltz.  Someone will miss a start or two, or more, due to injury.  And having depth allows them to have someone fill in that isn’t terrible.  Whether Dice-K fatigues, Beckett blisters up, or Wake’s back aches, they have someone to take that void for the time being.  And that is important.  And don’t forget the possibility that Smoltz and Penny succeed, letting Smoltz move to the bullpen, if he is capable, to give the Red Sox more depth out there.   

     And there was that other guy, Rocco Baldelli.  If Baldelli was penciled in as a starter, on any team, then they better have a backup that is roughly as productive.  Because expecting Baldelli to play 135+ games is unlikely, and unrealistic.  But since the Red Sox have above average corner OF’s, and what should be a roughly average CF, then Baldelli is only going to be needed when Drew misses his 40 games, and when Bay might need a day off, or whatever else comes up.  Baldelli should not be relied upon as a starter, but he could be relied on as a backup, and that is what he is for the time being.  And Baldelli still has potential, still has talent.  There is always a chance that since his condition is now thought, or known, to be treatable, that Rocco puts it all together and stays relatively healthy.  If healthy, he should hit somewhat.  Baldelli has never put up great numbers, but has been about average.  The positive is that he is only 26, and his prime is just beginning.

     None of the starters, as their own, should be entered into the equation.  But all of them should serve a part, and a purpose, in helping the Red Sox compete a little more within the toughest division in baseball.  All are coming in on one year deals, so there isn’t much risk at all.  And all are coming in on affordable contracts, for a large market team even more so.  No draft picks lost, but talent galore arriving (maybe).  These are good moves, that may not seem like much, but may turn out to be significant.