Seriously? Someone pays this guy money?
They actually allow him to cast a Hall of Fame vote? Baseball players lives are actually affected by this guy?
Look, you don’t have to have played baseball at the highest level to understand baseball. But that doesn’t mean anyone should be allowed to act like they know something about the game.
Anyway, if you haven’t read already, here is Danny boy’s article regarding his Hall of Fame ballot.
Excerpts below are in italics:
“Morris won 254 games in 18 seasons and pitched one of the
greatest World Series games of all time, a 10-inning, 1-0 Game 7
victory over the Braves in 1991. There’s already support for Boston
blowhard Curt Schilling, who won’t be on the ballot for another three years, but Morris has to get in before Schilling gets in. Morris was better.”
Let me start with the fact that he says that Jack Morris was a
better pitcher than Curt Schilling. That made the least sense to me.
I don’t know if he and Schilling didn’t see eye to eye during
Schilling’s tenure in Boston, or what. But Schilling is and was
clearly a better pitcher than Morris.
Maybe it is the 3o extra “wins” (WAR based) that Schilling added.
Or possibly the ERA+ of 127 to Morris’ 105. Or the fact that with all
of Morris’ supposed postseason success, Schilling was clearly, CLEARLY
much better come playoff time.
Schilling was better than Morris. And I want that to sound as
factual as Shaughnessy made it sound, but the other way around of
“For me, it’s the same with Hall of Famers. Some guys just strike
you as Cooperstown-worthy and others do not. Edgar Martinez was a very
fine hitter, but I never said to myself, “The Mariners are coming to
Fenway this weekend. I wonder how the Sox are going to pitch to Edgar
It was different with players like Eddie Murray and Jim Rice. They were feared.”
Now, as far as Edgar Martinez is concerned, I don’t mind if Dan
doesn’t want to vote for someone who spent almost all his time on the
bench while the rest of his teammates were out preventing runs.
But I do mind him using that feared argument.
I remember my Dad once saying that he (Edgar) was a great hitter.
And me — being a huge Griffey fan– replied, “Not as good as
Griffey.” My Dad then said, “Griffey is the better player, but
Martinez might be the better hitter.”
So someone obviously feared the ability of Edgar Martinez. And it couldn’t only have been my Dad that felt this way, right?
Could it be, Dan, that maybe the Boston media had something to do
with Jim Rice being labeled as “feared” while no one outside of the
game seemed to “fear” Edgar quite as much?
Edgar was not only a better hitter than Rice, he was much better. And having never set foot on defense, seemingly, Edgar is still a better player than Rice.
I hate to bring in the intentional walk as a measure, because there
are so many variables as to why a player may have been walked. But
Edgar was walked intentionally 43 more times during his career, and an
average of 3 more times a season (projected over 162 games).
Shaughnessy’s argument really lacks anything substantial, he seems to be just writing things that only he believes.
And this isn’t to say that Rice wasn’t “feared” to an extent. Maybe
for that four or five year period, he was. But this is all way
overblown media nonsense coming out of Boston.
“The stat geeks, those get-a-lifers who are sucking all the joy
out of our national pastime, no doubt will be able to demonstrate that
Edgar was better than Lou Gehrig and Rogers Hornsby. I’m not buying. Stats don’t tell the whole story. A man can drown in three feet of water.”
Dan uses what we would call “hyperbole” here. Obviously, no one –stat-geek or not — thinks that Edgar was better than Gehrig or Hornsby. And I don’t think Dan believes that any of us “stat geeks” actually hold that as our own.
But he does take a shot at people that rely, and believe in the numbers.
Now one thing I agree on, is that the numbers can get a little
boring at times. People used to watch the games, and that is how they
found out who the best players were. Now, one only has to look at the
‘WAR’ leader-board to get a good understanding of who the are the best
With that being said, the numbers mean a lot, A LOT. And while they
may not mean as much as some think, they probably mean much more than
And, my friends, Dan just doesn’t value stats quite as much as he should.
But I am going to go “get a life” now…